New Guide section for the v3re if we all work on it.

[Dumba]

Ok, the deal is as follows. We will get our own guide section in the Wiki, but we have to collect all the existing guides first, and add the new ones. So if you have a new guide for the v3re, and only that model, then post here the link to the Post in which the guide is. For example, you start a new thread, and publish a guide, then your post has the number 1 in the top right corner of that new thread. That 1 is also a direct link to the guide or post.
I add a few myself, but please help me not to miss any existing ones. The get connected Guide and the How to flash will probably stay the same as the v3 and v3re, but I can edit those if needs be.

So please let them come, lol.
Here is an example as how I need the links, this is the Keyremapping guide from the stickies:
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2451201&postcount=1
You see, it says postcount one, that way I don't link the whole thread, just the first post. Any good stuff in the following thread, should be edited in the first post anyway, either by the original poster or by any moderator. But those guides can also be edited once they are in the Wiki.
Any questions not answered here http://www.modmymoto.com/wiki// just ask them in this thread, and i try to answer or find out. :thumbsup:

[Danation]

Alright if I write a new seem editing guide?

(Also, just a side note, but you'll want the first two posts of the remapping thread)

I went ahead and made my new seem editing guide. I couldn't figure out how you isolated just the post, so here's the thread link:

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349711

[pwyll]

I went ahead and made my new seem editing guide. I couldn't figure out how you isolated just the post, so here's the thread link:



http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2504521&postcount=1

Took the liberty of isolating the first post :-)

The bar that forms the top border of the post has the date the post was made on the left--on the right, just before the double-bang "report post" button is the number of that post within the thread. The number itself is a link to that particular post.


Scott

[modnmotos]

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2487291&postcount=1

[Dumba]

Alright if I write a new seem editing guide?

(Also, just a side note, but you'll want the first two posts of the remapping thread)

I went ahead and made my new seem editing guide. I couldn't figure out how you isolated just the post, so here's the thread link:

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349711Thanks, and I merged the first two posts in the key-remapping thread http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2451201&postcount=1 .We will have loads soon, :)

[modnmotos]

Sorry Dumba posted 2x removed it.

[Danation]

Hey, modnmotos, pwyll just straightened me out ;) and posted above on how to isolate the individual post (Dumba wants it in that format.) Here's the individual post for yours: http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2393641&postcount=1

That's a great guide on the skin names. Good work!

[modnmotos]

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2516731&postcount=1

[Danation]

It looks like we've got a lot of good guides going.

What else should we do to get our section, Dumba? More consolidation? As far as layout, I was thinking we should have the Get connected guide, then a backup guide. Then a seem edit guide, then the unbricking guide, then a subsection for specific mods. Then probably a games/apps subsection. Maybe a common questions type guide somewhere in there?

Any thoughts on that?

[Dumba]

Its all doing well. I have a day off tomorrow, and I will invest it here, and make all the collected Guides so far into Guides, with a wiki link and all stuff inserted, and uploaded to one of the six ModMy Servers. Then I will give those links here and you can have a look at them, and tell me what needs tweaking and what needs an overhaul, lol.
Thanks for helping us, helping others in the future.

[modnmotos]

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2521171#post2521171&postcount=1


How to replace font:
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2521761&postcount=1


Whats safe to delete:
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2521891&postcount=1


Skin Coordinates and MotoSkin v 0.1.7 explained:
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2487041&postcount=1

[Danation]

Nice job, modnmotos. They look great.

Here's jklong03's guide for changing the bootscreen on the v3re:

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2522471&postcount=1

[Dumba]

Because I do things usually the wrong way round, I post the guide how to add to the Wiki now, lol. I know I could have saved myself some time if I had posted it before, but I am sometimes just too stupid.
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=478408&postcount=1
For adding Images, you need to upload them to the wiki first. Under special pages on the left of the wiki, is the upload function. Then remember the name you uploaded them under and insert as written in the guide by LS.

OK, the first ones
http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/Razr_v3re_get_connected
http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/Razr_V3re_Flashing-Flexing

And just found out that attachments didn't work either, shame. Now I really have to download and upload every picture, and insert it in stupid wiki code [[Image:your_Image_here. whatever]] lol

Oh, and that guide from jklong03 was already made from him,
http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/V3Re_Changing_HelloMoto_Screen
as he told me a while ago, http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=506156&postcount=12

And for guides about the Mexplorer and the patch needed, I got permission from fldodger www.mmus.us to share that file here http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=15981
also the flexeditor from motocat can be downloaded directly from here now http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=15971 so those links could be used in any guide regarding the use of the editor.

[modnmotos]

Just trying to simplify the 'death to hellomoto' a bit. And as Ive said before and prob say again-Sorry if it stepped on anyones toes. Sorry jklong03. Not wanting to steal jklongs03's glory. Just trying to clean up, and put a simple, straight foward, easy to read, guide out there. Pretty sure Danation would agree with me on this as well.

[Dumba]

You are not stepping on anybodys toes at all. We all want the guides to be simple. And all guides which are posted here, are ours to learn from, edit, alter and so on. Credits to the original are nice, but sometimes even impossible when the bits and pieces come fom a multiple source.
The efforts sofar are absolutely stunning, we will have a better section then v3r ever had, lol
If you all look into the guide creation guide from Living sword, you will see its easy to create your own.
All you have to do is go to the newly created page you typed into the Browser, and hit edit, from there its fairly selfexplaining.
Make sure you write it like
http://www. modmymoto.com/wiki/index .php/Razr_v3re_your_new_page_name
Without the spaces obviously, if I didn't put the spaces in, I would have created that usefull wiki page "New Page Name" now, haha.

[poetic_folly]

Hey guys! Awesome job... I love seeing all the guides coming together and being revived as well on some.

Any work you guys can do on porting them to the wiki would be incredible - then SJ or cash or I can add them to the menu there, and we can build up the knowledge base. That'd be a perfect plan. All help is appreciated, and thanks Dumba for starting this thread!

[Danation]

I haven't yet looked into messing with the wiki, but when I get a chance, I definitely will. I'm really excited to have a guide section for the v3re.

After we add to the wiki, would you like us to post anywhere in particular? Or PM anybody in particular?

[Dumba]

For v3re guides its fine to post the link here in this thread. They are also alphabetically ordered in the wiki. Look under special pages/ all pages, and you'll see the ones which aren't included as well as the included ones, in ABC order. That's why we should start the link name after the index with /Razr_v3re_and_so_on. Then they are all in order to be found. Any with spelling problems can be sorted by the Admins later, that is not of high priority. :)

http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1827061&postcount=1
There is another one which we can add then, How to put a full MP3 song on the v3re

[Danation]

That's a good guide. Sorry I haven't added stuff to the wiki, yet. I want to have some time to devote to it; I'm slightly intimidated, lol.

[Dumba]

Ok, "How to enable Funlights" written to the Wiki by modnmotos,
http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/Razr_v3re_How_to_enable_funlights

[modnmotos]

here is a software guide for the v3re:

http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/Razr_v3re_Software_Guide

[Danation]

I'm thinkin we should make a Getting Started guide and call it good enough to start a section. Well, it's obviously Poetic Folly's decision, but that's my thinking on the subject. Anybody think of anything else we need?

[Clarkey]

I know we need 3 basic guides, not sure if we already have them havent looked really lol.

Making a backup
Transferring Files
Flashing an MP

[Danation]

I got the backup one covered. Good idea on the "Transfering files" one. It should be fairly easy. An M-Explorer/P2kCommander guide would work well for it. Flashing is pretty well covered in Poetic Folly's guide, I think.

Thanks for the input Clarkey :) The file transfer one almost snuck past us. Modnmotos or I (or anybody else who'd like to) can put one together pretty soon here.

[Clarkey]

As I've said before I'd love to help you guys out but we don't have this model here :( Flashing is pretty much the same for all phones I guess. How about Seem editing?

[Danation]

I did a guide for that, as well, so I think we're fairly well covered on that. So they just don't sell them there? Or do they not even work there?

[modnmotos]

Clarkey chech out the wikki, new pages Razr V3re guides. We have covered alot, except a specific 'transfering files guide' which Im writing up currently. So if you have time and want to quickly scan whats in there so far and let us know if you have any other ideas/topics we could cover, that would be great. Thanks.


:band:
Im the drummer!:)

[Clarkey]

:band:
Im the drummer!:)

Dammit I thought I was the drummer :(

IHow about a working seem edits guide, if you guys have time that is.

[modnmotos]

Clarkey is this sufficient for seem editing guide?
http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/Razr_v3re_Seem_editing_for_beginners

Do you, for real, play drums too?

[Clarkey]

Do you, for real, play drums too?

Yes, I do. Been a drummer since I was a kid but only recently picked it back up when I was given a free drumkit.

Yes that guide is perfect.

[Danation]

Sweet, thanks, Clarkey :)

[modnmotos]

http://modmymoto.com/wiki/index.php/Razr_v3re_Transferring_files_to_and_from_the_V3re

ANYMORE??????

[Danation]

Well, just the getting started guide, I'm thinking. I'll type it up soon.

[Clarkey]

I'm sure there are plenty of other guides you guys can just "adapt" to fit the V3re, I'll have to do some thinking, (this is gonna hurt)

[Danation]

Mostly, I'm just hoping that we have enough guides to make a section.

I'm sure there are a ton we can add after that.

[Clarkey]

Well... we have the basic guides now, That should help us start a section. I'll have to get talking with Dumba and the Admins

[modnmotos]

"I'll have to do some thinking, (this is gonna hurt)"

lol

I smell what your steppn in Clarkey

[Danation]

Well... we have the basic guides now, That should help us start a section. I'll have to get talking with Dumba and the Admins

Awesome. I'll get that Getting Started guide up ASAP.

[pwyll]

here is a software guide for the v3re:



I would suggest a couple of changes, for "fairness." Under the P2KCommander entry, you say MExplorer is more user friendly--I would suggest saying "Many people feel that..." or even "Most people feel that..." as I still find P2KComm to be more user friendly. One of the reasons for that is some of the functions not included in your list--for instance, I've actually done about 95% of my seem editing with P2KComm without the need to download, edit and reupload. Choosing the "Seem Functions" option in the lower right menu bar will allow you to edit a great many of the seem directly on the phone. It does not list *all* editable seems, and it only works for "on/off" bits (where the choice is a zero or one, not where there is a range of values), but I've only tried one edit so far that wasn't listed (the changing cl.gif on the fly, where I had to download, edit the directory/file location in XVI32, and reupload)--and I've tried downloading the seems to do/check the bootscreen replace in XVI32, but the P2KComm has been accurate as far as checking that way goes.

That, I think, is why it is so user friendly, to me--F&B3 and P2KComm handle just about everything a beginning (me) to moderate modder would need without having to download and keep track of all the other software. So long as P2KComm works for you (which it always has for me ;)


Scott


It *is* a great guide :-)

[Danation]

Well, you make a good point about objectivity,

But... if you look at my seem editing guide, I show the easiest way to edit seems. If you use P2kTools, you can edit seems directly, and not just checking on and off. You can change the whole value. Just my two cents on seem editing.

P2kCommander is a good program, don't get me wrong. It's just that M-Explorer is modelled after Windows, so it's easier to use for most people.

But you are correct, we should make it more objective.

[modnmotos]

Scott your opinion is highly respected! It is still a work in progress so let me see how I can make it more objective. There are other things I realized that need to be added, but for the most part I do believe its a good place for a noob to get started even though changes are still needed.

Also I am by far no expert, this is information I wished I had when I started, Please feel completely free to write a guide and post it as well, in fact with your knowledge it would prob be better explained anyway. Besides its up to adnim as to what goes in the v3re section anyway,

[Danation]

Agreed. Remember, we can always change guides. Mostly we're just trying to get enough essential guide up to justify a v3re section.

[pwyll]

Well, you make a good point about objectivity,

But... if you look at my seem editing guide, I show the easiest way to edit seems. If you use P2kTools, you can edit seems directly, and not just checking on and off. You can change the whole value. Just my two cents on seem editing.

P2kCommander is a good program, don't get me wrong. It's just that M-Explorer is modelled after Windows, so it's easier to use for most people.

But you are correct, we should make it more objective.

Yes, and this is where it comes down to personal preference. I have not used P2KTools yet, but I have no doubt at all it handles seem editing better than P2KComm. I *have* used M-Explorer and have no problem at all admitting that it handles file transfers better/more easily. I don't have P2KComm handy right now so I can't come up with any more examples at the moment, but that's enough to demonstrate *my* preference for P2KCommander.

Some people prefer to have single-purpose programs for each job and some prefer one-stop convenience. Some people prefer to open four different programs, one at a time, starting and restarting the phone between them, because the programs themselves are the most efficient available at what they do, and problems are easier to isolate if they occur. Some of us are lazy :woot:

The consensus here is that M-Explorer is easier to use than P2KComm. I have no problem with that, and I can easily see sharing that opinion if I was doing more radical mods than I am now--but I'm not and I don't. The problem I see with flatly stating that M-Explorer is more user friendly is *not* that I disagree with it, but that a newbie reading the guide may have tried both and may disagree--and if he or she see *that* statement as obviously wrong, then *every* statement comes into question. Perhaps it's the journalist in me, or the logician, but it seems to me that statements of fact (and there are plenty in the guide) can only carry the weight of "carved in stone" if opinions are not mis-stated as fact.

And the more I try to explain myself the more it seems like it's "an issue" with me, and it's not. It was just a suggestion that I thought would help out the newbies looking at the guide--I don't think it's a fatal flaw, and I don't think it would be horrible to leave it the way it is >shrug<

Oh yes, and M-Explorer is modeled after the File Explorer *in* Windoze. If it was modeled after *Windoze* it would be the size of MPT, offer more options than P2KCommander and P2KTools combined, and be about as useful for the RAZR as WinAmp ;-)


Scott

Scott your opinion is highly respected! It is still a work in progress so let me see how I can make it more objective.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be more objective, depending on what the point of the guide is. If it is merely intended to introduce the software available, then I feel it should be objective and stick strictly to facts. On the other hand, if the guide is also to impart some idea of which programs are easier, more useful and/or more efficient, then subjectivity cannot be avoided it should be accepted and pointed out.

The first type of guide is useful for modders who are new to the v3re. The second type of guide is more useful to v3re owners who are new to modding. Personally, I think the "basic" guides should be aiming for the second group--I belong to the first one and had no problem finding the software and finding/figuring out how to use it. When I was first getting into modding, though, I was much more interested in which programs people found easiest to use rather than how many options were available for a given function. I wanted to start modding, not spend the first two or three weeks getting used to different but similar programs to figure out which ones I wanted to use when I got around to doing an actual mod.

So keep your subjectivity in there--it serves a purpose. Just remember to let the newbies know that they may not agree and that that's okay ;-)

There are other things I realized that need to be added, but for the most part I do believe its a good place for a noob to get started even though changes are still needed.

I agree with you--if I'd had this guide three weeks ago, it would have saved me at least three days of research just finding out which programs worked with the v3re and which didn't.

Also I am by far no expert, this is information I wished I had when I started, Please feel completely free to write a guide and post it as well, in fact with your knowledge it would prob be better explained anyway. Besides its up to adnim as to what goes in the v3re section anyway,

I'd like to, but everytime I think of a subject someone either writes one or has already written one. I'm thinking about writing a UG for P2KComm, since that seems to be the black sheep of the v3re family ;>


Scott

[Danation]

Oh yes, and M-Explorer is modeled after the File Explorer *in* Windoze. If it was modeled after *Windoze* it would be the size of MPT, offer more options than P2KCommander and P2KTools combined, and be about as useful for the RAZR as WinAmp ;-)

Hahahahahahah, awesome, I love it. Yeah, I typed that wrong, lol.

You make some valid points, and I actually agree, even though I don't like P2kComm, lol.

I'm going to look through the guides I've written or edited and make sure that it's clear that other options will work as well.

Thanks Scott.

[pwyll]

No problem. I'm just here to slip some sand in the well-greased wheels of getting our own section ;-)


Scott

[Danation]

Haha, yeah. But those are good points, so I appreciate you speaking up.

Btw, your thought about making a guide for P2kCommander is a good one. I'd love to get your take on it. Who knows... maybe after I'm better informed, I'll like it better?

[pwyll]

I doubt it, but maybe you'll understand why someone might not dislike it :-)

The various "focused" programs really are better at what their focus is on, and I don't think it would really be quicker to use one as opposed to shutting down and opening a few, since the main factor in the speed here is the processor of the phone and the USB 1.1 interface. I do think it could be less confusing for noobies, though, and preferred by those lazy modders that might make their way here :wave:


Scott

[Danation]

Fair enough. Write us up a guide :)

[pwyll]

I'll work on it while I'm in Texas--won't have time before then anyway...


Scott

[luke22]

hey im kinda new at all of this modding and seem editing on my motorola razr v3re, which i have a razr for tmobile and cingular, but i'm just working on the tmobile first. But i do have a question regarding the seem editing. What seems would i change and how would i change them to make my phone work with any sim card? I was very distraught by searching around too long for a subsidy code that was free or a program that works, so i'm gonna try it out with just changing the seems. Just let me know. thanks much.


-luke-:rockon:

[Danation]

You're asking about unlocking your phone. Changing seems will not unlock your phone, sorry :(

See this thread: http://modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54837