Stuck in boot loader and its flashing...

[Dabobaluie]

I have a V3re of course, it came unlocked with att standard. I flashed it to t-mobile, and then to a MP. I was trying go back to the tmobile pack, and my power went out in the middle of the flash...

now my phone is stuck in bootloader oc.f4. When i hook it up to my computer it is still recognized as a motorolla phone and fb3 can recognize it fine, but fails during flashing. rsdlite does not recognize it at all and causes the screen on the phone to flash repeatedly. p2k easy tool gave me this as an error report.

Processing input file:
Processed 9 codegroups
Connecting to phone ...
Connected to: 'Motorola Flash'
Connected OK
Sending RAM loader ...
ERROR: FLASHCMD read error
Error during post-JUMP commands.
Error while flashing RAM loader, aborting.
ERROR: Flashing failed

this was when trying to reflash to what was installed before the power loss. I have tried fixing the pds through easytools, but its telling me to testpoint the phone. I dont want to take it apart and try that if i dont have to. So im asking if i have to? or if there is anything else i can do? Please help me the best you can guys just got this thing and its the only phone available to me. And if its a brick...I can take it.. I'm a man.

[cRiMiNaL_Genius]

So far there hasnt been a "true" bricked V3re, so check this post out should solve your problem:http://modmymoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57126

[Dabobaluie]

Thanks a lot, but my problem is a bit more complicated. I can't flash anything to my phone using fb3 rsdlite or p2k easy tool. The boot loader does not stay on. There is no battery life warning however.

[Dumba]

Have you tried taking battery out, then putting back in? That would be the easy fix. If that doesn't work, we need to know if the Battery is definitely full, otherwise we run into trouble again.

[Danation]

I see that you are posting in a lot of places. Let's keep things organized and just post here.

What do you mean by "The boot loader does not stay on."?

[Dumba]

Probably he means Battery Flat, and can't stay on, and can't charge in phone, and iis wondering why it doesn't say Battery low, can't process. But let me tell, I never seen that battery low warning on any of my phones. They either flashed, or they died during the flash, and I had to bring them back. I actually thought that battery low screen was a myth until I saw a screen shot, lol.

[Danation]

Oh, really? I've seen it tons of times on my V3re's, but I guess from what you're saying, it doesn't always work... odd.

[Dabobaluie]

Honestly i think i love you guys. had a little conversation with yourselves while i was at work and i come back to see lots of useful advice.

I borrowed my sisters phone, we have identical phones. And im using her phone to charge my battery. When it first turned on it started up fine, and showed 2 bars of life left in the battery. I'm letting it charge up the rest of the way now. Do you really think that this is all that my problem is? I will be absolutely ecstatic if this is so.

there was nothing important on my phone at all so i dont mind complete reflashes. I just dont like that i may have killed my
phone....

Sorry for being so scattered, i'm just looking for help anywhere i can find it. I can be impatient at times, and need to work on that...heh



But thanks again you guys, Im still very new at this, and have an endless amount of questions. But i want to learn, and i want to be taught the correct ways. as it is... i have like fifteen programs due to following outdated guides. but i have gotten the job done mostly.


EDIT: by boot loader does not stay on, im refering to the fact that when i try and connect it through rsd, the screen constantly flashes on and off, and never gets anywhere. And when i connect to fb it gets through the loader, and JUMP sessions. then screen goes blank, phone disconnects and all CGs fail with an undescribed error.
I have already posted what p2k easy tool gives back, but the screen never turns off during that programs use.

EDIT2: Her phone is just a v3... and her keypad is way messed up. All keys start the voice recorder other then the menu key and the power key. Thats simple seem editing, or MP flash fixing though right?

well, 100 percent batter charged, exact same problems....

man i was hoping that was it...

[hagan]

Look like PDS is corrupted!!!! you may have no other choice but test point!!!

[Dabobaluie]

and that can only be done with a smart clip? or can i do it myself somehow?

any one have one and want to help me out?
I'm still willing to try anything else at all. anything.

EDIT also i keep having to recharge this batter every thirty minutes or so. could that be part of the problem or does flash mode take a lot of battery power?

[Danation]

Flash Mode takes a lot of power.

To me, it sounds more like a hardware problem. It keeps turning on and off? That's not a good sign. But then again, if it only happens when using RSD, then perhaps it's not hardware.

P2kEasyTools doesn't usually work on V3re's anyway. Just F&B, RSD Lite, and P2kTools (when you add the correct loader and profile.)

I know this is lame, but do you have a different USB cable and can you try a different USB port? Also, don't use a USB hub.

If hagan is correct that it's a PDS problem, then you'll need a smart clip for that on the V3re.

[Dabobaluie]

New port and cable change give nothing. Another battery swap did not help. I have tried RSD, p2ktools, p2k easy tools, moto pst, motokit, fb3, mexplorer, and basically everything else offered on this site. other then the test point. i even tried reading cg1 and quiting fb3 then starting p2k easy tools, to get it into boot loader 00000.
got the bootloader message.
tried flashing,
tried simply mounting in RSD
no dice all around.

is test point and pds repair a be all end all problem fix? or is it only for specific problems?

If my phone is dead id really like to know so i can just go to town on it. its not damaged at all via hardware, ive never dropped, submerged, slammed, cut, hit, or any other verb that appies to messing up a phone. so i know that it is either complete software screw up, or hardware issue that is of no fault whatsoever to the user.

[Danation]

It needs a smartclip, I'm thinking. Without one of those, yeah, it's dead, in my opinion.

[Dabobaluie]

crapnuts... o Well.

How about my sisters RAZR its a standard V3. All the keys work, they just all open the voice recorder. is this normally a keypad error or could a flash possibly fix it?

She wont let me do anything to it unless im sure... so right now its a charger.

[Danation]

Sometimes, I think it has to do with the battery, but I could be remembering wrong. Leave it out for a couple of hours and put it back in.

If that doesn't work, I'd look at seem 005b and make sure it's not corrupted.

I think there's a "keypad fix" flexlash, but I don't have much experience with it. Make sure the s/w version it was created for is compatible with your phone.

You could check the flex cables themselves. Sometimes they can get gunk in them. Cleaning with rubbing alcohol and a toothbrush works well.

If that doesn't work, it can't hurt to flash an MP.

But as always, before any modding, back up the phone.

[Dumba]

It is the flex cable running around the Mobo, if all keys lead to the default. You need a new Keypadflex for that V3, they are cheap.

[Danation]

I would at least clean it first... easier and less expensive.

[Dabobaluie]

thank you both!!!

she can get her phone replaced if it is the flex cable even if i mod it. She has a good provider... unlike me... I'm gonna do the back up and try anything short of taking it apart... she wont let me :)

but if it is the flex cables. could i offer to put my cables from the v3re into it? or are then incompatible?

[Danation]

Unfortunately, they aren't compatible. :S

[Dabobaluie]

haha well then i guess i dont even have to offer that...

do phone service centers have a smart clip normally? or would i have to buy, or find a person with one? or should i just buy a new phone?

this no phone is a killer when i want to call the stores to see if they have one...heh

[Danation]

My recommendation? Probably get a new one. Phones like this are fairly inexpensive.

But a lot of service centers have smart clips or similar boxes. You could give that a shot.

[Dabobaluie]

Awesome. Thanks for all the help guys. Don't expect me to disappear after this. I think i have a new addiction. And now a phone for spare parts!!!

just gotta be sure to stick to the v3re. Ebay is outa the question. They dont know what theyre selling.

[Danation]

Modding is indeed addicting :D

V3re is cool, but there are plenty of other great phones you should consider.

The R4515 version of V3r is a very similar phone. Slower internet, but a lot more moddable.

Or you could get a nicer phone. L7 phones are still modded a lot, and they're not too expensive. Z3 and K1 are fun, as well.

Or if you've got a fair amount of money, the ZN5 is nice :)

[Dabobaluie]

im on the "im head chef in my familys restaurant" lower end of the money spectrum :P

so I'll probably aim for a more modifiable, easier to save from death phone... that's not to expensive. I've been asking all my friends if they've kept their old razrs that broke in some way. and im going to see what i can scrounge out of them.

Anyway, with the error on my phone. Could it be an error in the boot loader itself? or would it never even load then? I had a similar problem with my sisters phone where it would just turn off and stay off when id try and flash it. Cut right after the JUMP command just like mine. diferent phone though... I fixed the problem by reflashing the 8.26 bl onto her phone again. for some reason it jumped perfectly fine, switched right over to the SW uprgade screen. I had tried using the downgrade to 7D, and that caused the shutdowns. and the second time i tried it, the boot loader never even showed. same fix however.

The main diference in the way theyre acting is RSD lite recognizes and connects to her phone almost right away. And mine it never sees, the phone turns on and off repeatedly.

I haven't seen anything about being able to replace a bootloader for the v3re other then the oc.cf that i was warned not to flash to my phone. And being as RSD lite cant see the thing. I cant even ignore the warning lol

anyway, I'm thinking its either a possible bootloader error? as a last hope, cuz i love hope... or the flash card/module/chip is dead.

Ive received both the 1337 errors and dea1 errors now many times. so im thinking death, but ive read that those are not necessarily lost causes.

[Danation]

Nah, I've gotten those errors a million times. It's "S/W not found" and "DE AD" that are scary.

Well, I think a corrupt bootloader makes sense. But you can't flash bootloaders on the V3re. I've tried a million times. Can't flash 0C.C1 to 0C.F4 or vice versa. Can't even flash 0C.C1 to a phone that already has 0C.C1. Same with 0C.F4. Can't flash bootloaders at all without smart clip or similar, as far as I know. I've tried everything I can think of.

Anyway, the two bootloader versions are nearly identical, so it's not a big deal. All flashes work with both.

But it would be nice to reflash the bootloader in a case like this.

[Dabobaluie]

well i even tried the programs for flashing via mac, im running a bootcamp mac/pc so i can test things both ways.

The mac flasher gets to 98 percent of the installation then quits. However its a beta program and doesn't give very good error reporting. Any programs you know of for the mac that aren't listed here?

I've spent so long on this its insane...

[Danation]

I know nothing about mac modding, sorry. We have a section for it, though, if you want to ask our mac experts :)

[Dabobaluie]

good idea, if i can get a boot loader across... well then im just gonna have to say one thing...macs...rule... hahah sorry.

[Danation]

Lol, if you can, I will have to agree.

But you won't be able to, I'm thinking. It's more of what phone you've got as opposed to what computer you have.

[Dabobaluie]

hey guess what!!!!! i fixed it!!!

i used p2ktoolsvs

it recognized it in neptune.
I flashed this file.
R3442A_G_0E.43.04R_reflash.shx

it messed up half way through.
then i got the blank mem map error.

I tried again.
It freaking worked!~!!

now my phone works just like it did before.

PDS backups/ if i can and all are forfront in my mind


I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank you guys for all your help. I cant believe a shot in the dark fixed it.

oh yea, and i stand by my love of mac.

but if it werent for pc i would never have come here, had this problem. and then fixed it! And now we know what to do when this happens.

Maybe i should recreate it and try again!!

lol... maybe but no

[Danation]

:D That has to be the most bizarre fix I've ever heard of, but who cares? It's fixed!

Congratulations! :D

I'll have to put that on my list of things to try.

About the PDS, it's even more restricted than the bootloaders. You can't even read from it. But definitely give it a try. Maybe you'll find another shot in the dark that will work :)

[Dabobaluie]

yea so far ive had no luck with it... but im still trying.

[Danation]

Oh, I was going to ask, what profile did you use for P2kTools? Or did you copy the profile and loader for V3re from F&B?

[Dumba]

If it works on the Mac, I buy one too, lol. But seriously, thanks for sharing the process. It is what modding is all about. Trial and error, because the developers don't talk to us, haha. So every success, and every disaster is important, and duely noted. So future attempts always can build on the Knowledge achieved. And that kind of Modding is the most addictive form, because it is social, and a Team Sport, and involves others, the whole world over.
:)

[Dabobaluie]

i used the standard profile that came with this version of p2ktools VS 3.0.8. build 864. It was initially in russian when i downloaded it, so i had passed it by every time. but it turned out to be the one that did the trick.

[Danation]

Ok, yeah, I just looked at the firmwares tab of P2kTools's flash mode, and it doesn't require a profile. Which makes sense, since the loader contains the correct CG information in it.

[hagan]

It got nothing to do with Mac. he just got lucky that the PDS is not complete corruped so symtem just like the v3i I tune got flash with none Itune. By flashing the original or a true MP with has discriotion at the end as FF will restor it.

[Danation]

Yeah, it's not because of the Mac, lol. But I'm not sure what you're saying. What do you mean?

[hagan]

He got lucky that the flash have not proceed far enought to critical part of the PDS to get it realy mess up

[Danation]

Yeah, true.

[Dabobaluie]

yea i actually fixed the problem via pc. not mac. The mac programs all encountered the same error.

I wouldn't say the pds had much of anything to do with it honestly. Being as it is something we cannot access readily on the v3re. I believe it had more to do with the specific program and the loader it used. I tried millions of versions of the same program and that is the only one that worked. I was very luck though :P

and now i cracked the outer screen.... time to buy torx drivers and swap the case.... weeeeee! hahaha

[Dumba]

The outer screen you can find separate. Its cheap, and just glued in.

[Danation]

Yeah, you can get them cheap on eBay, etc.

Make sure it's OEM! I got some non-OEM outer LCD covers, and they were bad.

[Dabobaluie]

im a genius and thought i was buying a v3re glass screen cover, and case replacement. I recieved a v3t i swapped them anyway. It fits but i can't see the top portion of the outer lcd screen....

Don't i make glorious mistakes :)

so new question. is the v3t lcd screen/ camera interchangeable with the v3re?
If it hasn't been tried im willing to give it a go.

[Danation]

It's not, unfortunately. I believe V3re and V3a have the same screen, though.

[Dabobaluie]

whats different about them? just how the phone recognizes it?

ill be sure my next purchase is a v3re for sure... or.... ill be mad...ha

[Danation]

V3t outer screen is positioned different, like V3i. The regular screen has different circuitry, so it doesn't work on V3re, either.

I'm not sure why Moto didn't standardize these things (rolls eyes)

For screen covers, buttons, keyboards and casings, V3,V3r, and V3re all work together fine.

[Dabobaluie]

well.... ratz....

imna end up with lots of spare parts...

guess i'll try and build a franken phone! haha

thanks again danation, your the best man!

[Danation]

No problem, hope it turns out ok :)